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It'south Fun to Play the Piano ... Delight Pass It On! |  | | | 38 members (andreozzo, DPPianoPhil, brennbaer, CharlesXX, DaCapoDiTuttiCapi, Calavera, Dfrankjazz, ElaineAllegro, BriBek, three invisible), 473 guests, and 337 robots. | | Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod |  #3787 12/26/07 04:fourteen PM | OP  Junior Fellow member Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: v | Hi, I'm new here and I'm looking for advice on buying a grand pianoforte. I have the opportunity to buy a used Samick for $7000. I don't know the model but it is five'6" long and has had very light use. I'm not familiar with the Samick make name and am wondering how information technology rates compared with other brands. For many years I accept had an upright Yamaha and have been happy with the sound and action. How volition the Samick compare? I noticed on pianoratings.com that the Samick is rated 1/2 star lower than the Yamaha C series. Thank you for your help. | #3788 12/26/07 04:57 PM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 478 Full Fellow member | | Full Member Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 478 | Mrs. Wright, Welcome to Pianoforte Globe and Happy Holidays! For what it is worth, Larry Fine (the author of the much vaunted, on this forum, Piano Book) rates Samick grands in Tier 4C. Other pianos in this tier include Hailuns, Palatinos, Steigerman Premiums, Bergmann (by Immature Chang), Kohler & Campbell, Essex, Weber and Pearl River. Certain of these have very loyal followings on this forum. Samicks are fabricated in Indonesia (I believe). While Samicks are not the nearly highly ranked pianos, with proper servicing past a technician and a expert home environment (particularly humidity command), this piano may serve you very well. Past all means, however, have a qualified technician inspect it before you lot purchase it. Skillful luck to you!
Stonemason & Hamlin A (2006); Yamaha P140 | #3789 12/26/07 08:03 PM | Joined: November 2004 Posts: 893 500 Post Social club Member | | 500 Post Guild Member Joined: November 2004 Posts: 893 | Mrs. Wright, Samick makes first-class pianos at a very skilful value. Some of the "brands" they make may or may not come shut to the same feel, tone, and bear upon of your Yamaha. I wouldn't hesitate in considering i, but would definitely have a technician look at it before committing to purchase used. I besides would shop a chip and try to negociate the price. I believe y'all will find that toll to be a chip loftier compared to what you can find new. Good luck with your search, and let us know what you find.  | #3791 12/26/07 11:53 PM | Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 301 Full Member | | Total Fellow member Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 301 | I just got a Samick myself very recently. I am finding that I am very happy with it.
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The most important thing in music is what is non in the notes. | #3792 12/27/07 01:39 AM | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 416 Full Member | | Total Member Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 416 | I've played Samicks that are very adept...just limited in their colour and sustain. Good for the beginner to intermediate actor. $vii,000 seems steep for a private owner pianoforte. Equally far as pianoratings.com, whatsoever person that places a Hallet & Davis over Schimmel, Yamaha S-series pianos, and Shigeru Kawai is a little misguided, or he/she played an extraordinarily-prepped Hallet & Davis and generalized to the whole brand. Its merely one person giving their opinion. | #3793 12/27/07 10:12 AM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,734 1000 Mail Club Fellow member | | one thousand Postal service Society Member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,734 | Mrswright,
Regardless of how Samic products compare in the market, the last thing you'd like to do is put ANY trust in the sort of "ratings" you'd find on the spider web for such pianos. Information technology is apparently difficult plenty to rate pianos when the attempt is done objectively, by professionals and reflecting the various opinions and consensus in the industry.
The simply reputable and reliable source to be used every bit a guideline for such evaluations is “the piano bookâ€, and the yearly 2007 â€" 2008 supplement, by Larry Fine, and even his ratings are criticized. Sadly, it seems that in recent years it became stylish, for dealers who may accept depression integrity and ideals, to prey on unsuspecting consumers by trying to present bogus "ratings" or "Piano Buying Guides" which are institute on the web or distributed for costless (or a penny). In these bogus ratings, the authors are attempting to present an "objective opinion" while positioning the brands they paddle, far above where the industry consensus would concur with, and far in a higher place their truthful competition.
The purpose of the "buying guide" is practically the aforementioned, when the common determination i is supposed to reach, afterwards reading these, is that the purchase of the writer's inventory is the "wise and correct" decision…a “bargain†of a sort. Usually, the charlatan owning the web page behind the artificial “ratings, is using the Larry Fine’due south rating, to brand his own look credible, and “inserting†into them the lines he wants to promote, but of course, completely misplaced.
Also, the competition to the dealer’south line, is clearly rated lower than the pianos he is trying to push…
Such websites/ownership guides effort to appear as “objectiveâ€, giving no indication that they are actually brought up by a specific dealer, and their purpose is to promote his pianos. This is largely what makes such “ratings†no improve than a scam, in my opinion. In the case of the ridiculous ratings on “pianoratings.com it is quite articulate that that site owner is representing (or has represented in the recent by one time these “ratings†were compliledâ€), pianos past the Bechstein group (including the Hoffmann), Sauter, Schultze Pollmann, Baldwin, Charles Walters, Hallett Davis, and J. Strauss… I would guess, by observing the positioning of the pianos in these “ratingsâ€(extremely gross misplacement of pianos in the low terminate), that this particular dealer is focused on the low end of the marketplace, and these, along with the Baldwins are probably his core business…
Such “ratings†given by dealers on web sites or “buying guidesâ€, may change depending on the lines the dealer is carrying or pushing at the time, and I would suggest any consumer to put no trust in them. I detect it agonizing that consumers, such as yous, may fall into this trap and trust or give whatever weight to such activity, which should teach more than about the dealer paddling these pianos and website, his integrity and business conduct, than nearly the pianos rated in that location.
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My postings, unless stated otherwise, are my personal opinions, not those of my clients. | #3795 12/27/07 eleven:48 AM | Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,365 2000 Post Gild Member | | 2000 Post Social club Member Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,365 | An interesting website alexa.com provides traffic ratings every bit 1 fashion of assessing how popular a website is. I don't know much most this website so interpret it as you lot volition. For the sake of this thread the site mentioned has a web ranking of nearly 4,100,000. By contrast pianoworld is almost 55,000. I believe ebay, cnn, yahoo, msn etc are in the tiptop 10. http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/pianoratings.com Using a site like alexa.com may be one mode to assess the usefulness of a website as having relevant or sought out info. | #3796 12/27/07 xi:57 AM | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 893 500 Post Club Member | | 500 Post Social club Member Joined: November 2004 Posts: 893 | Using a site like alexa.com may be i fashion to assess the usefulness of a website as having relevant or sought out info. I hold | #3797 12/27/07 12:26 PM | Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,733 2000 Mail Club Member  | | 2000 Post Club Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: two,733 | I but did some checking and from all appearances the owner of pianorating$.com is making an effort to mask his/her identity. That, in my book, is another huge red flag. On piano buying guides.. Nobody should ever have any ratings guide at face up value without looking into how the inquiry was done, who did it and how the information was gathered, what the marketplace sample was, and what the author's interest is. Ken
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Piano Torturer | #3798 12/27/07 12:27 PM | Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: xiv,810 Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member | | Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,810 | Hi Mrswright, If I may add my .02 regarding your question, aye, Samick pianos and their stencils are adept pianos as a general dominion (IMHO). When I was searching for a nice pre-endemic thousand, I came across a late 80’s model DH Baldwin G-170 Grand fabricated by Samick that I thought was a nice piano. (I was going to buy it simply the seller inverse his listen; notwithstanding, that is some other story …. see http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/1/17333.html ). Also, I concord with the others that $7000 is very high for a pre-owned Samick, regardless of condition. Around this time last year, I was quoted a price of $7800 for a new Bergmann 6’ yard and $8500 for a new Nordiska 5’5†grand. By-the-way, you volition become a boat-load of opinions and advice, but the main thing is to buy a piano y'all really like and can afford. Best regards, Rickster
Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would similar to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Aqueduct | #3800 12/27/07 01:46 PM | Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,815 1000 Mail service Club Member | | yard Post Club Member Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: i,815 | I am a fan of Samick products and have watched closely the evolution of their pianos for over 20 years. Samick is a Korean company, but all pianos begetting the SAMICK logo are congenital in their factory outside of Dki jakarta, Indonesia for the last several years. This pianoforte you have interest in is a used pianoforte. Give us the serial number and nosotros can tell you how onetime. As all manufacturing concerns the Samicks of 20 years ago are non the quality of those today. Age and status is just as important as brand in used pianos.
Piano Technician, fellow member Piano Technicians Society. | #3802 12/27/07 02:23 PM | Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: i,242 thousand Postal service Club Member | | 1000 Postal service Club Member Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,242 | You may know all this already only may I share these questions and my experience. Its particular condition and intendance are important facts to observe out. How old is it? Was it maintained? Was it in an environment with seasonal swings in humidity? {deleted discussion, turns out the pianoforte I described was not a Samick pianoforte but a Hyundai} | #3803 12/27/07 06:56 PM | Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,438 one thousand Mail service Club Member | | thousand Postal service Club Member Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: i,438 | Samick has (or had, I don't know) a line chosen Samick Globe that are indeed VERY nice pianos. I have a cousin who got rid of an old Steinway and got 1 and has never been sorry. Information technology is very high quality, is beautiful, sounds great and plays wonderful. I was very impressed. | #3805 12/30/07 10:10 AM | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 45 Full Member | | Full Member Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 45 | We take a Howard, which was a make congenital in Korea past Samick in nearly 1988. Information technology was Baldwin'south second line at that time, and uses a lot of Baldwin parts. Ours is a 5'8" m. We had some trouble with it the first few months with sticking keys, only technician visits were covered by warranty. Since then, for 20 years we have had no trouble at all. Information technology sounds nice and is very attractive. I would purchase ane new so if there are any technical problems the warranty will cover it. Incidentally, fifty-fifty the most expensive pianos can take teething problems in the first couple of months later on they are delivered.
[Aforementioned person as one-time Glyptodont -- Some sort of system problem with forum.] | | | Joined: December 2015 Posts: ane Junior Member | | Junior Member Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: i | The Samick SGxx does non take the aforementioned action equally the WFG or WSG (the"World Series"). I've played a WFG185 which, side by side to Steinway, was the most pleasurable piano I have ever played. Information technology sold used for $12,000. The SG is neat, merely don't pay $7,000 for information technology. | | Forums43 Topics212,146 Poststhree,175,502 Members104,658 | | Most Online15,252
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